Dubee Will Not Return to Phillies for 2014

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, September 30, 2013 10:39 AM | Comments: 17
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Rich Dubee has been with the Philadelphia Phillies for nine seasons, but will not make it a full decade as pitching coach. The team announced Monday morning that Dubee would not have his contract renewed.

“We believe it is time for change as we move forward. We thank Rich for his professionalism and contribution to the Phillies,” GM Ruben Amaro said in a statement Monday.

There is no word on who the next pitching coach would be, although there is a candidate within. Bullpen coach Rod Nichols served as Ryne Sandberg’s pitching coach at Lehigh Valley and had been in that position since 2008. He was also with Reading and Scranton/Wilkes Barre from 2002-06.

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  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    This is a tough position to project. I guess if you know a pitching coach’s exact role, it might be easier, but this might be the 2nd most nebulous gig in the game, right behind hitting coach.

    All I know is this. It’s a bad year to try to parlay any Sandburg-Maddux reunion, since only a miracle will keep him froma Hall weekend, niot to mention his son Chase (I think) just starting his high school days. But Maddux has oft spoke glowingly of Dick pole, who’s been rumored previously, and unlike Dave Duncan, if you can believe what you read, wants back in in that role. And while I never heard one word between Dubee and the starters that will be here, I respect the respect guys like Doc and Cliff (who didn’t shy away from returning because Dubee was here), I can’t see where some fresh words will hurt.

    Dubee seemed to do a real good job while he was here. Most complainers about him don’t come up in the memory bank as having been successful elsewhere. No offense to Scott Mathieson’s pretty glittering 2013 at last glance, but I kinda take that with a grain of salt.

    From the distance of fanship, it seems a decent idea to try a fresh voice, no disrespect to Dubee probably having been good.

  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    Amaro should give Jamie Moyer a shot. Or, Brett Myers LOL

    • Posts: 904 schmenkman

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      Moyer’s a favorite, but other than being old and “crafty”, does anyone know what his qualifications are for a position like this?

      • Posts: 0 JR

        Qualifications? He’ been pitching in the Majors longer than any player in modern baseball history, other pitchers in the organization including Hamels and Kendrick have been looking to him for years…

    • Posts: 0 JR

      Jamie Moyer absolutely!

  • Posts: 0 Eric

    I like managers to bring in their own team to the coaching staff. I respect Dubee, but he was basically Charlie’s second in command, so he was the most obvious coach to not return.

    When Charlie took over, it took him a while to shape the coaching staff to his vision. Maybe they wanted some continuity, but with a new season on the horizon, I would prefer to see a bunch of new faces. The two-headed hitting coach monster certainly can go. Many fans would like to see Sammy exit. Basically, it’s time for a new philosophy, a new vision.

    • Posts: 0 Andrew

      The “new vision” won’t start until RAJ is gone. Until we get to that point, we’re stuck with the “back of the baseball card” methodology that Ruben loves to operate by.

  • Posts: 0 Jaron B

    I’d have liked for Dubee to stay. He deserved a full decade. It’s the bullpen that’s been a problem and Dubee wasn’t really responsible for them… only starters-turned-relievers.

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Probably have a point but how’s about his 25 years of MLB pitching also been just recently removed from the game has to count for something Schk.

    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Probably has a point? Are you kidding? The qualifications question is pretty silly. The appropriate question is would he be interested? You see a guy who STILL hasn’t announced his retirement, and at last report (be your own judge of accuracy, and/or seriousness) was he was fooling around with a knuckleball.

      There is zero question about Moyer’s qualifications. It’s not even the 25 years, it’s the quality of it. Exposure to the full game, the highs and lows, the millions of adjustments he made, the knowledge accumulated, the whole spectrum.

      You have a sport with such household names as Doug Brocali, Pete Walker and Jeff Jones manning the position around the game. And the list of their qualifications? Right place, right time? Friendships? I mean you could not possibly think they have superior communication skills. It’s a matter of if a guy wants to be part of helping pitchers reach their potential. The want to do that is the only question about Moyer. He’s seen and been through everything a pitcher could see thus eliminating the qualification question from any intelligent consideration.
      Aside from any guy’s premiere qualification is whether there’s a passion to do it, and do it for one organization. From that angle, Moyer might fail miserably.

  • Posts: 190 photoFred

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    I suspect being a major league manager is a bit of a grind over the long season. While a manager has only limited say about who plays on his team, he ought to be able to name his coaching staff. Among other things, it’s a comfort level thing. Keeping the clubhouse focused has got to be easier when you’ve got allies on the same page. We’re going to judge RS on the team’s results so he needs to have the tools he wants.

    Dubee had some vocal supporters on the staff but I’m not without questions. Did he defer to his stars too much? Specifically, should he have allowed Halliday to pitch 484 innings over ’10 and ’11? I know—hindsight, but still…

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Yes i know that Jamie hasnt retired Ken. Im sure Schek had some other point when he made his comment.

    • Posts: 904 schmenkman

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      As Ken correctly points out, Moyer has been around long enough and had to learn and try enough different things throughout his career that he certainly has a lot of knowledge.

      The point is simply that doing it and teaching others to do it are two separate skills. Maybe Moyer has both, maybe not. I’d rather not find out at the major league level.

      • Posts: 0 George

        I agree here. Just a day or two ago I commented on the fact that many HOF players have stunk as managers, and there probably isn’t a single one of those guys who hasn’t “been around long enough and had to learn to try enough different things…”

        Coaching is not just having the knowlege, it’s being able to impart that knowlege. It’s also the ability to not rub prima donna “aces” the wrong way. Really, what the heck kind of ML stats did Dubee have? What was Rod Nichols’ level of ML success? There are many, many coaches who have been very successful, who were very unsuccessful as players.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    It’s gotta be Nichols getting that job.. Dubee has some decent years, thanks in large part to having a great staff already, but I can’t remember too many (if any) players ever giving him credit for anything that made them better.

    Nichols was thanked publicly multiple times, even going back to Brett Myers and Ryan Madson- they credit him with all the success they had. And with him having already coached with Sandberg- I’d be shocked if anyone but Nichols is named the new pitching coach

  • Posts: 4 Genghis-Khan

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    This is the right move but I won’t be happy until the headline reads that Amaro won’t be back.

  • Posts: 1061 betasigmadeltashag

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    I think something should be said about some young pitchers that had good years here but have not fared well since. OK maybe Two happ and Worley put up some decent stats and were trade for some value and have not matched that success. That has to say something about Dube. Saying that I think it is a good move to let Ryno bring in his own staff
    I like the idea of Moyer but if you can get Duncan that would be a HR

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