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Yahoo! Report: Phillies Actively Shopping Domonic Brown

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, December 09, 2013 01:16 PM | Comments: 38
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Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweeted just before 1pm eastern time that the Phillies are actively looking to trade Domonic Brown to get starting pitching in return.

Not sure I agree with the premise that trading their best offensive player is the best way to fix the problem of the franchise, but it would not shock me if the Phillies were to unload Brown. He certainly has his issues with defense and staying healthy, but if he has 30 home run potential for a team that lacks power, what’s the point?

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  • Posts: 0 Bellkirk

    Amaro didn’t get to set the market for bad free agent contracts (think overpays of Ibanez, Papelbon and the awful Howard extension) so instead he’s trying to trade one of few tradeable assets the team has left. Not to say that a Brown trade wouldn’t make sense in some circumstances, but I think we can all rest assured that the worst GM in baseball (history?) won’t get a good enough return.

     
  • Posts: 2 dmagman

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    While I agree that trading their best offensive player may not be the best way to fix the franchise, wouldn’t this move HAVE TO BE paired with the signing of a FA outfielder (preferably a RH bat) to replace Brown? I’m thinking someone like Shoo or Cruz? If they could get a protectable young starting pitcher for Brown, and get a new RH OF bat via FA, it would make sense, no?

     
    • Posts: 0 kman

      Choo hits and throws LEFT handed by the way

       
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        Yes, but they’d be trading a left-hander and gaining a good fielder and high OBP player.

         
      • Posts: 2 dmagman

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        Oops. I had thought he was a switch-hitter.

         
  • Posts: 0 cat

    GET RID OF RUBEN AMARO….HE’S THE PROBLEM! TRADING EXCELLENT PLAYERS FOR CRAP…

     
    • Posts: 0 Rick

      Dom brown is beyond overrated, last year in my mind was 100 percent a fluke I’m all in for trading him along
      Wit his cowboys jersey

       
  • Posts: 0 Joe A

    The goal must be too increase the average age of the starters to 35+

     
    • Posts: 0 wbramh

      The Red Sox roster is currently 3 tics older than the Phillies and feeling quite fine, thank you!
      The difference is that the Red Sox have the #1 farm in baseball.
      The only thing that keeps the Dodgers from being as old as the Phillies are Puig and Rodriguez.

      I’d look less at the age of personnel and more at the quality of same.

       
  • Posts: 0 Larry Harlow

    I’m not opposed to trading Brown, but I have no confidence in Amaro making the decision on what a good return would be. Someday soon we’ll have a real GM, and we’ll be able to look back and laugh at the Amaro years.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Well, if the idea is to sign an OF free agent like Cruz or Choo, I would say just go with Choo. Cruz’s defense is atrocious.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    Choo bats lefty. One of the few guys that is controllable for the prime of his career. Brown is 26 years old. The Phillies control him until he is about 30-31. Why would we trade him now? for young starting pitching? i thought that was one of our minor league strengths. This only made sense if we were going ultra young. If thats the case shouldnt we have traded Utley, Ruiz, Lee last season. Not signed Marlon Byrd.

    But bc I think I’m smarter then Ruben if you are going to trade him here are some possible destinations.
    Pittsburgh – Gerrit Cole or Jamieson Tallon and Gregory Polanco
    Oakland – Cespedes and a pitcher

    Ed Wade please dont let him do this.

     
  • Posts: 0 joshtk

    Is his defense really that bad? I feel it gets overstated how bad his defense is. I mean sure he’s never gonna win a gold glove but people make it seem like he should already just be a DH.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    Also Bob McClure might ruin all of our pitching. Just look at where he is coming from. We should have gone to Oakland and paid Curt Young.

    You dont trade young controllable hitting. Pitchers are more likely to break down.

     
  • Posts: 5233 Lefty

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    Passan is doing his job, I get that, but I don’t find this surprising. The winter meetings are where these things are discussed. That doesn’t mean it will happen, and doesn’t mean it won’t.

    The Dodgers are reportedly discussing trading Kemp, the Angels, Trumbo, the Blue Jays, Bautista. There are probably 20-25 all stars in trade dialogue at this very moment. Why? Because if you want to get a truly good return you have to be willing to trade big names in their prime. One or two of the 20-25 will be traded like most years, and a couple writers will be able to claim credit for having it first, as if that has any importance whatsoever.

     
    • Posts: 0 Larry Harlow

      They’re just reporting on the rumors that are out there. It’s pretty much what the “hot stove league” is all about. A small percentage of the rumors ever come to fruition, but they keep hundreds of blogs like this one active in the off-season.

       
      • Posts: 5233 Lefty

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        I have no problem with “blogs like these” -heck, they’re a lot of fun! The guys that write here at PN, and for many of the baseball blogs in this town are really enjoyable writers, and I appreciate their efforts.

        I have a problem with rumor’s that come from a few well known names like Passan, Heyman, Rosenthal, etc.- that got lucky a few times, so now everyone takes their word for gospel.

        IMO- They’re just like a bunch of yenta’s in a salon, only they actually get paid for this crap.

         
  • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

    I doubt they will sign choo or Cruz because both of them will cost a draft pick and the way the offseason has gone so far, we aren’t signing anyone that will cost us a pick this year…

    At this point we aren’t gonna be competitive next year so trade away who you can and hopefully*** get some decent young talent and build toward the future… It’s sad to say but it’s the truth

     
    • Posts: 5233 Lefty

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      If they make the trade and get a pick back, they could do it without losing anything. Not that I’m for or against that, just saying it could happen.

       
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        Exactly, and that should be part of the goal, either as part of a Brown trade or another move.

         
      • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

        Their first round pick is protected isn’t it?

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Right, their first round pick is protected, and they lose their second round pick instead.

         
    • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

      Yeah schmenk is right, I just get the feeling they are valuing picks this year and aren’t going to sign anyone who would cost them a pick…

      It’s a pretty messy situation that the organization is in right now, and a couple high prices free agents isn’t gonna turn this mess around it might put a bandaid on it but in a couple years it’ll be the same thing it is now

       
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        Hogey, That seems like the logical step. Protect picks at this point.
        But in an interview on MLB last night Ruben suggested the opposite- that they were committed to “winning now” and even at the cost of prospects. Perhaps I misunderstood him but he sure didn’t sound like someone who was committed to youth even while he was saying those exact words. Too many contradictions in his responses. The only non-contradiction in his statement was that he was building around players like (specifically) Dom Brown so either the rumor about moving Brown is false or Ruben is all over the place for somebody’s benefit.

         
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        Rubens always been all over the place in my opinion lol

         
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    It’s nice to know Rube took my idea (at the end of the Papelbon thread) to heart. That was to trade Brown for pitching… oh, and sign the left-handed hitting FA Choo but that last part will undoubtedly be revealed later. I knew RAJ was listening to me and just waiting for a less than dumb idea to come out of my head (it took awhile).

    Choo would give us an upgrade in the field (an alleged priority), the 4th highest OBP in MLB and a bona fide lead-off hitter (with power) to boot. He’s been a steady performer and still only 31-years-old so a 4-year contract would not be insane.

     
    • Posts: 0 kman

      Choo is going to want the ellsbury contract. You are not going to get him for only 4yrs

       
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        You’re probably right but if management believes they can win with the current core than it’s a moot point whether they pay Choo for four years or forty years. They have to pay the going rate or divest themselves of the core and trade everybody they can move for farm prospects. There is a third choice which is to remain a 60-75 win team forever.

         
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    Selling high on Brown is not a bad idea. He had success this year, that is true, but its not a guarantee it will repeat again next year. If we can get some good, young prospects for him then why not.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    The Phils should be talking to Bartolo Colon. He’s old but he is effective.

     
  • Posts: 120 Dave P

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    30 HR potential?

    I’ll be surprised if he hits 20 this year. I think he’ll hit closer to 16. His batted ball splits from last year show he had an incredibly fluky may in terms of hr/fb%. It’s a great idea to sell now, I just don’t trust Amaro to get value back.

     
    • Posts: 5233 Lefty

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      I disagree, I think he has 30 HR potential for years to come. The big power guys tend to be both lucky (fluky) and streaky. See Justin Upton for example. I also think Brown has an elite arm.

      But we do agree that he should be available in trade discussions, he’s a good player, but not un-tradeable good.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    RAJ will try anything to take the attention away from the Eagles. Doc retires and rumors that they are willing to trade Dom Brown. Well played RAJ.

    Ok Dom isnt Ken Griffey Jr out there but he has the tools to improve in the OF. He is a better defender then Manny Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Alfonso Soriano. He can only get better. Having Revere in CF helps Dom out. THe Phillies need to stop messing with this guy. For the first years they yo/yo’d him up and down the minors trying every OF position. Now that he finally played a full season and played well. There is talk about ohhh he might not be “Our Star”

    Why not trade Kendrick? Cliff Lee? Take another chance at getting Jimmy to waive his no trade? Anaheim, Arizona, Pittsburgh, Cleveland are all in search for that ace. Not to mention Texas, LA Dodgers, and Boston would jump at the chance if the Phils pick up enough of Lee’s contract.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      @Jay, I assume the first paragraph is tongue-in-cheek. But they’re not trading Lee or asking Rollins to waive his no-trade (as far as we know) because they intend to compete in 2014, as unlikely as that may be.

       
      • Posts: 0 Jay

        It’s just funny how these two teams go back and forth for the philly spotlight.

        Trading lee makes sense if ur giving up brown for young pitching you are basically trying to rebuild. Lee wants to retire after his Phillies contract ends. Why not send him somewhere that he can try to win.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        You’re not necessarily rebuilding, you’re just exchanging one kind of controlled player (OF) for another (pitcher), possibly because you think you can replace the OF through FA or another trade.

        But the point is if you truly plan to compete in 2014 (unlikely as it may be), whether Lee gets a ring someday is of very little importance to the FO and most fans, compared to helping this team win.

         
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    Yeah I’m still not trading a cheap everyday player for a pitcher who will make 20-30 starts and pitch around 7 innings a game. Unless you have a better position player to take his spot. Nelson Cruz is not worth it he is older and his numbers are inflated after playing in that Texas lineup and don’t forget the Performance enhancing. This possible trade reminds me of Cincy trading Josh Hamilton to Texas for Edison volquez. We all know who got the better end of that one.

     
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    The Tribe is willing to listen to offers for Masterson.

     
 
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