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Gameday 79: Braves @ Phlliies

Posted by Martin Shnayder, Sat, June 28, 2014 07:22 PM | Comments: 65
2014 Gameday, Posts

Atlanta Braves (42-38) at Philadelphia Phillies (36-44)

Starting Pitchers:
ATL: RHP David Hale (2-2, 3.14)
vs.
PHI: RHP Sean O’Sullivan (0-0)

Time: 7:15, Citizens Bank Park
TV: Comcast Sportsnet
Weather: Partly Cloudy, 85
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Tonight:

The Phillies will attempt to salvage the day-night doubleheader against the Braves after losing the matinee game. Veteran Sean O’Sullivan was called up from Lehigh Valley to make this spot start for the Phillies. O’Sullivan was 3-6 with a 4.31 ERA in 15 games started for the Iron Pigs in 2014. Ryan Howard, Ben Revere, and Cody Asche are the three Phillies players who are starting both the afternoon and night game today.

Lineup:

Revere CF / Rollins SS / Byrd RF / Howard 1B / Mayberry LF / Asche 3B / Hernandez 2B / Rupp C / O’Sullivan P

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  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    Ugh. So now we get to be embarrassed on national television to complete the day? Newbie pitcher who doesn’t even have a good record in the minors?

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    I’m hearing Asche’s walkup song in the background. The song is this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dtMI96zc0s&feature=kp

    But I thought it was this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J—aiyznGQ#t=3

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    aw crap…

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    Byrd blew that – he should be on third

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    The team pretty much sucks like we knew all along.

    Please fire Amaro.

    They just go lifeless for weeks at a time.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    they need to check the water in the home clubhouse.

    Maybe it is laced with sleeping medication or Tylenol PM

    Every time this team is at home they are sleep walking.

    The racing has been great at Pocono downs.

    Lots of world and track records!

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    I think its a lack of talent and i think the teamhas giving up on itself…

     
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    At least the “buyers or sellers” question has been answered fairly definitively. However, the thought of Amaro doing the selling is a scary one.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    I think that was answered a few weeks ago Scotty. Of course they wont say any thing as it will effect ticket and ratins.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    Apparently, the goal of ownership is now to “stay decent” (as if the way they’ve played the past two seasons is “decent”).

    “…We’re not as good as we want to be right now, but I think that we can stay decent or better a little longer.”

    http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/sports/baseball/phils-montgomery-complete-rebuild-risky/article_b50be383-0191-5e27-81ba-2e7d47987769.html

     
    • Posts: 5221 Lefty

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      Uggghhhhh!

      But one thing seems pretty clear, the article shows that the club’s philosophy is not necessarily Ruben Amaro Jr.’s idea. It’s very possible that this is totally ownership’s point of view and Amaro is just doing their bidding like any employee that wants to keep his job would.

       
      • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

        Possibly, but if the organization is satisfied with a “decent” 70 win team, that can be accomplished at a lot less than $180 million. And if they think that fans are content watching this “decent” 70 win team, then they’re oblivious to the ever increasing sea of blue seats down at the ball yard.

         
  • Posts: 0 Carlos

    Halfway to Hell.

     
  • Posts: 993 betasigmadeltashag

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    I don’t understand a team that seems to care so much on the road and is this flat at home. I get the braves have decent pitching but they played with so much more heart in Atlanta just a week ago

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      I think it’s ludicrous to say they care less at home, just because the results are worse.

      If they hit better, they would look like they care. Not the other way around.

       
      • Posts: 0 c. schreiber

        Really, Schmeck you figured out that if they hit better it would look like they care. I always said you a genius.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Good to see we agree on something, c.s.

         
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Did I use to read posts about Victorinos defense?

    Since he has left the out field defense has been a DIGRACE

    A DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I used to preach about it and people laughed at me.

    Now you have an entire outfield that cant catch fly balls.

    You cant win that way

     
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      I always hear circus music in the background whenever the ball is hit to Brown or Revere. For a team theoretically built on pitching, it’s inexcusable to have a defense so poor (I’m including Howard and Asche in that equation as well).

       
      • Posts: 0 Mike in NJ

        Hehe I was thinking Benny Hill

         
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    can we all agree they suck at home?

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      They’re not a good baseball team anywhere, they’re just not.

       
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Gameday # 80 Braves@Phillies:

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Andrew, I didn’t see your answer yesterday.So I went up to the game last night. Bad game but always fun to go- easy to get great seats.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Byrd’s a good outfielder, but besides that we’d be a lot better off with Shane, Werth and Pat.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Yes Schmitty, but Howard doesnt walk enough. And Stairs just called him out for it.

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    OUTTA HERE!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Where would this team be without Byrd?

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    TMAC is obsessed with “end of the bat” like Wheeler used to be about “middle in”

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Teams that are 28th in OBP don’t compete for division championships. I don’t care how bad the teams on top are.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Before today, the Phils were 26th, the Braves 27th.

      Marlins 12th, Mets 19th, Nats 21st

       
    • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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      I’m not in it for a division championship at this point. I just want to see the occasional win. Or at least the occasional non-embarrassing loss.

       
      • Posts: 0 lefty

        Just last week when they swept the Braves there was a lot of talk. I’m all for optimism, believe me I am, but this team doesn’t look like a contender to me. I sure hope I’m wrong.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Lefty, would you say the same about the Braves, then?

         
      • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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        They do get our hopes up now and then, don’t they? That just makes it all the more painful.

         
      • Posts: 0 lefty

        The Braves are not a great team, but to my way of thinking, they are a team that is capable of contending, yes. Their first baseman, third baseman, shortstop and outfielders catch balls they shouldn’t. Lack of solid D, along with mediocre pitching and hitting have put the Phils in the lower portion of the league. If they play really well from here on out, I think they have a chance at .500, but not better.

         
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Oh my, little league now.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Lets go men, got a very winnable game here.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Congrats Chase.

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    #1500 for Chase Utley

    That’s the main thing we have to look forward to this year: records and milestones.

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    Ugh. Way to top off Utley’s milestone.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Wow Lefty

    Havent Howard bashed in a very long time.

    Its like beating a dead crippled horse.

    I think the team would be better just cutting him and eating 25 million next year and the 10 million buy out.

    but its moot.

    They seem intent on hitting him 4th forever

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      Wow what? I’m an optimist but not stupid. I love the Phillies they’re my team, but it’s past time to start selling any pieces they can to attempt to make the rebuild as fast and painfree as possible. You know I’m a realist. I want what’s best for the club and all of us fans, and holding on to hopes of contending this season IMO is not the right direction.

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

        And I was not taking a shot at you.
        Was tongue in cheek

        Just hadn’t bashed Howard in a long time.

        I will always feel that if the Phillies had had another first baseman from 06-13 there would be at least 1 more title and maybe 2 more.

        this team stinks as a whole.

        When they fired Charlie they should have fired Ruben and kept Charlie.

         
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    And it’s especially wrong to believe in they chance of contending based upon -not how good your team is but how bad the other teams are? That’s ludicrous IMO. The team is either good enough to contend or it’s not.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      It depends on what we mean by “contend”. If we mean contend to make the playoffs (by either winning the division or securing a wildcard), then I think it certainly matters how good or bad the other teams are.

      If the NL East winner finishes with 82 wins (they’ll probably finish with more, but for argument’s sake), than a team that finishes with 2 or 3 games behind them is a contender for the division (and the playoffs), no matter how good or bad they are deemed to be.

       
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      This one is easy. Whether the division winner finishes with 102 wins, 92 wins, or 82 wins. The Phillies are not contenders. They’ll finish in the 70 win range, plus or minus (probably minus) a game or two.

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I see more of a 75 win range, but otherwise no argument on the Phillies specifically.

         
      • Posts: 0 Mike in NJ

        I had predicted 67 wins. Right now they’re on a pace better than that, but you have to think they’ll trade a couple guys for prospects, and we’ll see even less talented guys everyday than we are now.

         
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Andrew I leave the bashing to you. It seems you like being the guy who can say I told you so, while all of us were praying the window wasn’t closing. I take no pleasure in it, none. But it’s clear to many of us this season that it’s over. So make the sensible moves that sports teams on the downside make. Gotta run, catch you later.

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

      Not into saying I told you so. Wish I had been wrong.

      My rants were done before the titanic was steered into the iceburg by Amaro.

      Its hit now and its sunk.

      Really I just wake up every day hoping and praying he will be fired.

      And every day he is not.

      I have no confidence he can right the sinking ship.

      the Padres fired their GM mid season why not the Phils?

       
      • Posts: 5221 Lefty

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        Okay that was harsh, sorry. I just want what’s best and there is no ego associated with it.

         
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    OH BABY!!!

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    Come on, Chase! Gimme 1501!!!

     
  • Posts: 3113 Tracey

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    crap

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Andrew will you probably already know this as to why Rube probably wont get fired. The Phils have a good ol boy type of mentality. They reward and promote sometimes seemingly blindly their own. They will at the least let him finish the season and probably have him step down though even that is doubtful. The bad part is they probably promote again one of their own( uninspiring person) to the GM pos and thus starts the process all over

     
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    A pretty good break down of Domonic Brown’s major league career. On either side of those magical 42 games of last season, he’s had complete seasons of being terrible.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/The-Three-Stages-of-Dom-Brown.html

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38683242/ForBoopStats/06-30-DomBrown.pdf

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      From the same “analyst” who found that Wilson Valdez was as good or better than Rollins and Utley.

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        (Granted, not entirely germane to the topic at hand, and Vetrone comes up with interesting stuff sometimes.)

        I actually don’t believe this year shows Brown’s “true colors”. You can slice the stats many ways, but he’s never been as bad as he is this year.

        And I don’t think you can simply toss out a hot streak as an anomaly — it’s at least as much a part of who he is as this year is.

         
      • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

        So you’re saying that Brown has been a good player outside of those 42 games? He’s basically played an entire season since that run ended. He’s been one of the worst players in baseball since then.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I don’t know how you got that from what I said.

         
  • Posts: 0 Art

    If a new driver got in an accident in 11 of the first 12 months they were on the road, would you say they are a good driver or a bad driver?

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      You would have to say that Mike Schmidt is a bad hitter. : )

       
  • Posts: 0 teejayvee

    It’s a miserable situation for Brown here. The fans are really killing him.
    He must love getting on the road
    I’m sure he’d love a fresh start somewhere else.

     
 
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