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Should the Phillies be buyers or sellers?

Posted by Brian Michael, Wed, June 18, 2014 07:30 PM | Comments: 30
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With the Phillies sweeping Atlanta and sitting just 4.5 games out of first place, a playoff spot is certainly in sight. As we near the trade deadline, do you think the Phillies will be looking to unload pricey veterans in exchange for prospects (sellers) or will they bring in a few missing pieces to assist in the playoff push (buyers)?

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Should the Phillies be buyers or sellers at the trade deadline?

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  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    If I remember correctly, the Phils tried selling previously. Here’s how it worked out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMAXzKITQc

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    I suggest we take a look at the Victorino and Pence trades. It is not simply “buyers or sellers” it is a question of for what?

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike in NJ

    I don’t trust Ruin to do either. IMO we don’t have the prospects to trade even if we are over .500 by the trade deadline, and I certainly don’t trust him to sell after the Lee, Victorino, and both Pence trades.

     
  • Posts: 0 TimC

    HOLD!!! No reason to make either decision now unless we are blown away by an offer.

     
    • Posts: 0 Mike B.

      Agreed. If they are contending, hold. If they are out of it, sell if they can get value.

       
  • Posts: 4527 Lefty

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    Those that don’t trust Ruben Amaro Jr to sell, keep in mind that the man who fleeced him in the Pence trade from Houston is back working for the Phils. I’m hopeful he will be heavily involved in the decision making process.

    I held out hope the previous two seasons when others were convinced that selling was the way to go. My opinion has changed now, I truly believe it’s time to sell those players who wish for a chance to contend elsewhere before their careers end.

     
    • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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      Or….based on today’s earlier “debate” over and definition of contention….maybe they will have just that chance to contend right here in Philadelphia. No matter how bad the record or the division ends up.

       
      • Posts: 4527 Lefty

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        Anything is possible, low probability, but absolutely possible. And it sure would make me a happy fan.

        It’s a dangerous choice these owners have to make. Give up butts in the seats for a few seasons to build like Houston is doing, or continue to hope for the core to stay healthy and perform. It’s hard to say what they promised Comcast to get that contract. Maybe they have no choice but to try to contend.

        This team is below .500 and hasn’t sustained one significant injury from it’s core of 30 year old position players yet. I’m not betting on that, in fact I’m re-thinking my estimate from this morning. This club may be 20 games under .500 before the summer is through, and I can’t believe that even the wildcard teams will be that low. That said- Go Phils, I still watch every game.

         
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Hold wait to see if they can climb to .500 before thinking anything. Dom Brown appears to be the weak link here. Howard did have a good series but still is hitting .235. If these two players dont turn it around the offense is seriously limited. They also have a career . 170 hitter manning 3rd right now. ( i know Brignac is hot but not likely to last ) I would like to see what Asche does when he comes back. What exactly would they buy i would imagine a OF’er?

     
    • Posts: 0 TimC

      Depending on how long Cliff is out, potentially a SP. Hernandez and Buchanan limit the rotation. I like how Buchanan throws lots of strikes and can get some ground balls, but he is too prone to big innings.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        You are SO on the right track suggesting a starter. Although obviously, multiple items (as with all clubs) make up the list. The problem of course is what you can give up, what you can afford. But you HAVE to stay abreast of the entire market. In other words, you can’t sit by and be a fan of the Samardja talks. Just like they should have (if they weren’t) in on at least thinking of Tanaka. If they could avoid the Manual credo of don’t give me what I already have, and somehow, some way get Lee and Hamels some help, let’s just say it’s a positive step, and measure the positivity from what else might occur. Not that Burnett and Kendrick are total losses, but they’re both iffy. I just wish there was some realism to it, but it’s definitely a need.

         
      • Posts: 0 TimC

        Ken,

        I could see a Papelbon-SP swap where the salaries balance out, and both teams get something they need. Then you try to extend your young and talented, albeit inexperienced, bullpen a little with a new closer. Adams comes back to be the veteran presence mid July and now you’ve improved your team without mortgaging the future.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        I think we have different views on Papelbon’s marketability. His contract is more movable this year than last, but Ruben’s dropped no hint that he has come to value high priced closers differently, as most of his contemporaries have. And while realistically, he’d have a harder time achieving his option by closing for a team that doesn’t figure to win a lot, it’s a little alarming that it could happen. His results are real good this year, but the peripherals are the sort of thing that you wonder just how high a scout’s rec would be.

        For that, I can’t agree that a starter of the ilk I’m thinking of is acquirable. What I agreed with that you said was a starting pitcher is a huge need. Or at least I’m saying huge. Too bad Randy Wolf doesn’t seem to have anything left, because an experienced lefty would be pretty enticing although he’ never been in the real good class. That’s why for the rare ones that might be available (and real life is often different than what’s in the papers), you can’t be a wallflower even if it seems like your ability to give up appealing value is limited.

         
  • Posts: 0 Oran Kelley

    Sell if the price is right would be my answer. And keep selling: move folks like Brown and even Giles once they seem to be near peak value. The only answer to the Phillies situation is volume. Lots of good prospects, not a few good ones. But the price has to be right, not selling for religious reasons. There’s absolutely no point in moving players if you don’t get something appreciable back in the way of prospects and/or budget relief. I know there are those of the faith that says “all you have to do is dump Rollins for Franco to immediately become Rookie of the Year.” But sorry to say, they’re wrong. In fact they’re probably the same people who were crying “Pay any price for a right-handed bat” a few years ago.

     
    • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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      Giles could possibly be the closer of the future and you are already talking about moving him?

       
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        Hello, I’m earth, have we met??

        Move Giles, we’re going to control him for 6-7 years, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard….

        Not to mention if we start a rebuild, with the right guys behind it and a little luck, 6-7 years we should be right back contending every year like we used to

         
      • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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        Hogey, I’m confused. Who are you directing your comment to? And are you for or against moving Giles?

         
      • Posts: 4527 Lefty

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        I’m guessing he wasn’t talking to you and was being sarcastic about moving Giles.

        But I could be wrong, heck I once thought Andrew from Waldorf was of this planet. :-)
        BTW- I look forward to meeting you both at the parade in October!

         
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        I wasn’t talking to you chuck..

        I was saying why would we move Giles we will control him for 6-7 more years and like you said he’s more than likely going to be our future closer…. I am against moving him.

         
      • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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        Yeah, you’re probably right. Just me most likely mis-interpreting his comment.

        And if there’s a parade the beers are on me!

         
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    This is a bad team. A real bad team. That awful Mets series was only two weeks ago. They should be prepared to trade anyone.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20140619_Numbers_don_t_add_up_in_Phillies__favor.html

     
    • Posts: 4527 Lefty

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      To me the first three words of the last paragraph say it all-

      “It’s just time”

       
  • Posts: 0 George

    There are problems with trying to sell, and there are problems with trying to buy. You can’t sell aging veterans with enormous contracts and expect much in return. There’s not a team out there that is going to overlook Utley’s age and injury history, Lee’s age and current elbow issues, Papelbon’s contract and attitude, or Rollins’ vesting option. Brown would be a “change of scenery” candidate and would only bring back the same.

    You can’t buy whithout having assets to deal. I don’t think players like Franco should be sent away, nor should the more recent draft picks such as Crawford. I’d listen on Biddle, as he doesn’t appear to be progressing lately, and I’d listen on Joseph, if anybody actually asked. That’s not a whole lot to bargain with. Those two combined would maybe get you another Roberto Hernandez..

    Standing pat is about the only thing to do. Hope, I’ve heard way too many times, is not a stategy, but hoping for Lee’s and Adam’s return, continued progress from Asche, and no major injuries to the rest of the personnel seems to me the only viable strategy right now. Next year or two, when contracts run out and a few high draft picks progress, maybe some money will be availabe to binge on free agents.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    This is still a bad team. Without some type of resurgence from Howard and Brown and hope Asche continue showing the improvement he was making before he was injured you almost have to sell.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Hasn’t Brown’s play been a good amount better since he flirted with .200? Only 1 boneheaded baserunning move that I recall in the last 3 weeks, too. At least it’s a start.

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Somewhat better since he bottomed out on May 29th:

        .278/.308/.417 (.725 OPS)

        He’ll have to keep that up and do even better.

         
  • Posts: 0 Oran Kelley

    On Giles: if he develops, he becomes an overvalued commodity. The kind that some “one piece away” GM would make a sacrifice for. And he’d be a commodity of precious little use on a losing team. Giles is like Rolen or Abreu. Here too soon for the next run. Trade him early when you get the most for him, don’t let him depreciate and get discontent then finally deal him.

    When it comes to the category “overvalued commodity” I don’t see the Phillies having much aside from Giles in the near future.

     
    • Posts: 120 photoFred

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      Not sure how much value a rookie 7th rounder with 3 appearances under his belt has. You’re not going to get a starting position player for him and if you get a prospect…well you’ve got another prospect. I’d keep him for the rest of the season and see if he develops into the real deal. Then, come winter meeting time, you’ve got real value to either trade, or not.

       
    • Posts: 0 jeff of nova

      Trade Giles??? Thankfully you are not the GM. It is too early too pull a trade. The Phillies have won 5 straight against 2 of the better teams in the NL, I would give them to a little after the all star break and then make their move. You don’t trade a Giles you would trade Rollins or Utley or Lee maybe hamels

       
  • Posts: 0 Oran Kelley

    Giles has very little value right now. But then I’m not talking about trading him right now. I’m talking about trading him if he develops as hoped. What I’m saying is the Phillies have to keep selling well into the future. Giles isn’t the closer of the future. He’s the trade-bait of the future.

     
 
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