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Gameday 82: Phillies at Pirates

Posted by Amanda Orr, Fri, July 04, 2014 04:54 PM | Comments: 114
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Philadelphia Phillies at Pittsburgh Pirates

Starting Pitchers:
PHI: Roberto Hernandez (3-7, 4.26)
vs.
PIT: Gerrit Cole (6-4, 4.02)

Time: 5:05, PNC Park
TV: Comcast Sportsnet
Weather: Clear, 74
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A Note for Tonight: Happy 4th of July!

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  • Posts: 0 lefty

    I think Buchanan has a decent chance at a major league career. He lets up some hard hit balls but has a lot of poise. Hope I didn’t jinx him..

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    The Phils lineup is such a non threat they just leaave the pitcher in there any ways..

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Im not sure he will stick Lefty. His minor league career doesnt indicate he will even as a fifth starter. Hes been holding his own though for now. I have him pegged as filler journey man type with a outside chance of been a 5th stater.

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      How about as a pretty reliable long man/spot starter?

       
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    It’s bad when they don’t hit or pitch well, but I have a very low tolerance for what happened with Asche and Rupp.

     
    • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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      OH BABY!!!

      We’re not dead yet!

       
    • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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      (scratching head) What happened with Asche and Rupp?

       
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    My guys used to run their asses off when they gave away outs. I guess you can’t do that to pros.

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    You can see on Bowa’s face, he doesn’t expect Hernandez to do anything.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Ugggggghh

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    … and he’s right.

    Are the Phils 1-9 now? Or still 2-8? They are teh suck either way.

     
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    Honestly, if it wasn’t for watching the World Cup intermittently between this game, I could not have made it through nine innings. RAJ and the Front Office have dismantled a winning team beyond repair. This is an excruciatingly painful season.

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Gameday 84

    Even Phillies Nation isn’t interested in watching the Phillies any more. And really, who can blame them?

     
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    I have the sense that it took a team effort from the organization’s management to put the club in its current predicament. And maybe less a dismantling (although that’s been part of it) than a total lack of ability to rebuild as their top players passed their prime. The dismantling part was largely a natural process but it’s been the failure not just of Ruben but the entire network of scouts, coaches, managers and executives to establish a smart enough organization to recognize talent and properly prepare what talent they have for the big leagues.

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      I think that’s all true, but someone has to be held accountable and responsible. Someone hires and fires the people that don’t get the job done. Fairly or unfairly, that someone has to has to take the blame.

       
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Ugly with a capital UGH.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    They’re definitely tough to watch. This will probably be one of Burnett’s last games with the Phillies. The rumors have the Pirates and Orioles interested in him. Byrd is likely to go within the next few weeks as well.

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      The fact that two of the players other teams might be most interested in, were just acquired this season- speaks volumes to me.

       
      • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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        It means we are capable of acquiring players with value. And then we trade them away. They were talking in the pre-game show about how Marlon Byrd “deserves” to be traded. That’s embarrassing.

         
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      Tracey – It’s more of a matter of short term assets vs. long term assets. Burnett and Byrd are much more valuable to a team contending now than to a team that won’t be contending for another four or five seasons.

       
      • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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        I get that, but for several years now they’ve done a good job of identifying older players that other teams wouldn’t bother to invest in. But they don’t seem to be able to apply that to talent they can hold on to.

         
      • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

        The flip side of that is that maybe a team in need of a rebuild should not be targeting older players at the end of their careers. There was some wishful thinking on the part of Amaro as far as this team being a contender in 2014.

         
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    (sigh…)

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    oh gawd… I was waiting for them to run into each other…

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Phils bring it up to 3-2. Do I dare get my hopes up?

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      I wouldn’t

       
      • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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        That 8th inning was pretty hope-dashing.

         
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Jamie Moyer sounds PISSED at how stupidly the Phils are playing

     
    • Posts: 0 lefty

      Good, I wish I had the home feed today.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Is Ben revere blind?

    Or just clueless.

    this team is a disgrace.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    What kind of a player jumps not even near the ball?

    Is there a medical condition????

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    No question, the fan interfered with the ball, but we’ll give it to the Pirates because the Phils would have blown it anyway.

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Oh gawd… I had a bad feeling when they IBB’d that first guy that a grand slam was coming…

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    And here we go again … bottom of the 8th, starts out 1 run behind, but let’s make really, REALLY sure that we can’t come back in the 9th.

    Of course, they will go down 1–3 in the 9th.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    It doesn’t matter that the fan touched it. He was nowhere near catching that ball. But Andrew, the fan made Revere look bad IMO, he would have been closer to it if it’s not deflected. More important to me is that Defratus served up such a meaty pitch to one of the greatest players in the game in that situation. And then the wheels come flying off. And now we get to be embarrassed by mini mart. Shheeeeesh.

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    I wonder if we are leading the league in unearned runs?

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      @Tracey, the Phillies are 2nd in the NL in unearned runs allowed. But it’s not because they’ve made a lot of errors. They actually have the 3rd fewest errors in the NL (and correspondingly the 3rd best fielding percentage). That’s not to say they’re a good fielding team — they’re one of the worst fielding teams in the NL by most reputable measures.

      What the Phillies do lead the league in is the average unearned runs allowed per error. So while they have relatively few errors, they’ve “made the most of them”.

       
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Serve up a meatball the greatest player in the National league and walk that feared hitter mini mart. Hell of a strategy there, lucky Polanco didn’t make them paym

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Wow! Not 1-2-3!

    I have to take the small victories

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    That’s good hustle Ben. Keep it going guys, fight like your jobs are on the line, like normal people making one fiftieth of your salary have to.

     
  • Posts: 3334 Tracey

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    Pardon me, I need to go vomit.

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Im just frustrated and disgusted. No more comments like the last one. I apoligize. This young Pirates team is so impressive, so full of promise.

     
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      Marte & Polanco were both amateur free agents out of the Dominican Republic…they didn’t even cost the Pirates a draft pick! This could end up being the best OF of the next five or six years. I still like the Marlins’ OF a lot though.

       
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    It’s all about asset management today – it has nothing to do with outspending other teams. That’s why it’s so scary that Amaro still has his job.

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2014/7/6/5874633/the-cubs-and-asset-management-arrieta-samardzija-hammel

     
  • Posts: 0 lefty

    Epstein is a very sharp guy, as is Neil Huntington. These are two former doormats that look to become dominant contenders for years to come. My response to he Amaro comment is that he’s no dummy. They don’t just give away diplomas at Stanford. I really wonder how handcuffed he has been by ownership in the philosophy and direction of the tean

     
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      Amaro has made his “back of the baseball card” statement enough for me to believe that he doesn’t have a grasp on projecting the natural arc of a player’s career though. I’m not buying that he’s simply a puppet of the ownership.

       
      • Posts: 5508 Lefty

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        And I’m not trying to shower him with support either, I have publicly been very critical of him over the years.

        I just don’t understand how a Stanford graduate , wouldn’t be able to grasp how backward this approach to running a franchise has been. It just makes no sense.

        I really just wonder if he is just a guy making a huge paycheck.. by doing his owner’s bidding. It makes no sense that a guy smart enough to earn a diploma from a top ten university, and a former ballplayer, from a ball player family- would knowingly run a club into the ground.

         
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    What I found most interesting was Ruben Amaro’s public insistence during winter meetings that the team would contend this year. Staring down at his imagined chips at the time, I was convinced his pronouncement was no more than a poor pitchman’s bluff; that he was saying what he believed fans wanted to hear rather than the truth and that a shakeup would occur, if only in the organizational structure. Do to salary issues, vesting, injuries and poor on-field performances (or lack of consistency) it was not going to be easy to move anyone.

    Initially, Ruben’s acquisition of Byrd and Burnett was puzzling. Either he saw their additions as a short-term way to maintain a minimum of competitive mediocrity while the organization was being rebuilt or (as claimed) he actually believed those additions would reenforce a playoff caliber team. The answer could be found in the total lack of shake-up among in R&D – No SABR department, no next to no turnover in developmental personnel, including managers, coaches, scouts, etc.

    If a metaphor for this season emerges, it should be the wasted dollars and hopes spent on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. It could have been much worse since only #12 million was flushed down the toilet in place of the $48 million they were prepared to spend. Still, you have to wonder how many top-flight scouts and coaches they could have lured with even $12 million.

    As I write, I’m watching a Summer League game between the young Sixers hopefuls and their counterparts on OKC. The Sixers are athletic, play hard and are surprisingly fun to watch -even with Nerlens Noel given the day off – and even though they’re a couple of years from being truly competitive, I’d sooner buy a ticket to watch a team with heart, purpose and potential than an endless mix of has-beens and scrubs. Perhaps the Phillies would better serve themselves and their fans if they took lessons from the team on the opposite side of Pattison Avenue.

     
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      The good news is that Byrd and Burnett have played well enough to have trade value. So there’s that.

      I agree that it appears that the organization needs a fresh approach to scouting and player development (and just player evaluation in general). I don’t know where they (as an organization) stood on guys like Yoenis Cespedes, Yasiel Puig, Jorge Soler, and Jose Abreu, but it never seemed like they were actively in the mix for any of them. With all the money that they’ve thrown away on bad contracts, it seems like they could have rolled the dice on someone besides Gonzalez.

       
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    Sorry – the end of paragraph #2 should have read, “The answer could be found in the total lack of shake-up off the field. No SABR department created and barely any turnover in player development personnel, including managers, coaches, scouts, etc.”

     
 
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