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Papelbon: “Of Course” I Want to Pitch For a Contender

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Wed, July 09, 2014 11:14 PM | Comments: 28
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The hot news out of Milwaukee isn’t the fact that the Phillies took three straight from the team that entered their series with the best record in the National League. No, it is the fact that Jonathan Papelbon has reportedly stated his desire to play for a team in contention before the end of the month. His quotes and post game actions are captured here by Ryan Lawrence:

 

 

Opinion: I don’t blame Papelbon one bit. Papelbon was sold on the Phillies as a contender at the time he signed and they have not contended, save for a few weeks in early 2012, since he came to Philadelphia. Papelbon is pitching his best season since signing with the Phillies and may be of interest to contenders like the Angels or Tigers around the trade deadline.

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Ian's athletic achievements include getting stuffed by NBA center Aaron Gray in high school and hitting .179 over four years for NYU against D-III, NAIA, JuCo, and NCBA schools. Ian hopes his athletic successes will help him achieve his dream of becoming the underground Bob Uecker.

 
 
  • Posts: 0 John simmons

    Paragon contributed to them not being a contender….. how many hits did he give away when called to the mound…. just like he did with the red Sox…. maybe without him Philly will get back in contention

     
  • Posts: 513 Morris Buttermaker

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    I can’t stand him. But he’s probably been the best player on the team this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Laura Hoogerwerff

    The big problem for Jonathan is that no one wanted him last year when the Phils tried to unload him. Why would this year be any different?

     
    • Posts: 432 Ian Riccaboni

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      That’s a fair point but there are two responses: one less year on his massive contract and a 1.24 ERA while maintaining consistent velocity that was thought to have been dropping.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Papelbon has been lights out as Ian pointed out. I think someone will contender now that his contract is one year less. The chances of the Phils been in contentions are very slim. We might as well unload him.. Especially since he wants to be unloaded.

     
    • Posts: 0 Laura Hoogerwerff

      So, when he signs with a contender and the following year or they are no longer contenders he’s going to shoot his mouth off again and ask to be traded. Boy, that’s the kind of player I would want. Note sarcasm.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Meant some contender will be more likely to pick him up now that his contract is one year less.

     
  • Posts: 0 MadDawg

    After what he said last year, they should trade his ass to the Astros. Sign on for that, has-been.

     
  • Posts: 0 /carol norman

    If that’s the way he feels—- get rid of him! No team is a winning team forever, will he want to leave when his next team isn’t a winning team? what a jerk!!!

     
    • Posts: 2968 Chuck A.

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      How is he a “jerk” for wanting to be on a contending team? As Ian points out, he was sold on this team being just that and they haven’t been.

      That said, he IS a real tool and I, for one, would not be upset to see him gone. Especially with the emergence of Diekman and now Ken Giles.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I guess there might actually be folks pretty dependenty on this site for Phillie news. Perhaps you are one. This article does not seem to mention some of the Papelbon quotes where he invoked the mixed feelng part of it based on the progress of his pen mates that he said he’d miss. So while the comments here suggest his mentality is he can’t wait to leave, his full menu of quotes suggest otherwise.

      The other day, Utley was quoted again about not wanting to leave, and in the comments section of the article, there were numerous rips of him for being too selfish to leave. Either way, it’s an extremely personal ordeal, and I can’t believe there aren’t ALWAYS mixed feelings, including the first time Crash Allen left Philly.

       
  • Posts: 85 loupossehl

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    Who would want Papelbon? Who would want a ballplayer with an ego who maybe talks too much … but is having a lights-out, all-star year?

    If you eliminate from pro baseball or any other sport all star athletes with big egos and abrasive personalities … that might be a better prescription for a .500 club than for a championship team. At the end of the day, it’s “Just win, Baby”, and you fill ballparks and stadiums – and ballplayers get their championship rings – with winning players and teams, not necessarily with locker rooms filled with “really nice guys.” It’s great to win with a Tim Duncan – but if you win with a Pete Rose … that’s OK, too. (I was going to also mention Lenny Dykstra – but I do draw the line with detestable human beings.)

    If he’s not pissing off his teammates and isn’t a negative for them – and I don’t hear one bit of that – I don’t care if Papelbon wins popularity contests … so long as he’s on his way to having a lights-out season on the field. Who’d want Papelbon? Some team that wants to win, and feels that it’s one ace reliever short of being a being a WS contender. Unfortunately that is not us – and the same folks who hate Papelbon for whatever reason real or imagined, know in their baseball hearts that they wish that short and enviable list included us.

    One bright spot for us this year – where we have a couple of young guys who are showing they may have a bright future – turns out to be (of all things) our bullpen. Since the Phillies are going nowhere in particular they should trade Papelbon, who is a hot commodity for some contending team having a bullpen issue. If/when that happens I will wish Papelbon well – he has delivered for us. If we had a bunch of position players with Papelbon’s capability and who were having all-star seasons, we’d be contending, and not complaining. We’d be talking about what a wacky and cool guy Papelbon is – not about how he shoulda-said this and kept quiet about that. Adios Jonathan; on your way out the door there’s one last thing you can do for us: be part of a trade that brings us talent-for-talent.

     
    • Posts: 0 joe

      Papelon has for two years now ignored fans on photo day. Can’t wait for him to be out of here

       
  • Posts: 4954 Lefty

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    I would not blame a single member of the Phillies that wanted to play for a contender. That said, don’t let the door hit ya in the ass, Pappy

     
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    Despite the fact that he is a total tool and I loathe him,the sabermetrics kids/guys will tell you he is having one of the top seasons, possibly ever, for a reliever. So Ruin and .300 Monty eat some of his slary from your awful contract of your own machination and send Papatool far away to a contender, maybe Detroit. As Lefty said earlier, “Don’t let the door…”

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith L

    I think it’s funny reading comments blasting Papelbon for saying he wants to pitch for a contender. Some of the same people were celebrating Rollins for saying he would veto any trade because he wanted to break team records in Philly. Both get points for honesty, but both are being “me first” and not for the team. At least Papelbon might bring back someone decent.

     
    • Posts: 2968 Chuck A.

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      Again…how is wanting to play for a contender “me first”. I mean…seriously….do you really blame the guy???

      And as for Rollins, is is so bad that a guy values playing for the same organization and wants to break records? It’s not like Jimmy Rollins being in the lineup is the worst thing either. Who else….RIGHT NOW…would you suggest that the Phillies play at the SS position?

       
  • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

    Good for Papelbon…can’t blame him one bit. That said, it won’t change the fact that the Phillies’ will need to pick up at least half of his remaining salary and still won’t get much back in return.

     
  • Posts: 908 betasigmadeltashag

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    If you can get value for him then you trade him
    I don’t blame him for answering a question honestly. “Would you like to pitch for a contender?” Of course anyone would. Does that mean he will not try his best if he is not traded? No he is just being honest.
    It also think you don’t trade him just to trade him. If you can not get a talent that will contribute then you keep him

     
  • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

    I could care less what he has to say right now, bottom line is he is performing extremely well and there are teams out there that need a shut down closer….
    I feel like we will probably have to eat some salary and that is fine as long as the return is worth it, although the a’s took on Jim Johnson’s salary and he didn’t have near as good a season as pap is having now….

    Eat some money and get a good return, even if it’s only one prospect make it a good one, Ruben…

     
  • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

    And while the trade deadline is near, what about sending cliff lee and cash to Seattle for nick franklin and an outfield prospect

     
    • Posts: 85 loupossehl

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      That kind of thing … yes indeed. As the saying goes, best to trade him a year too early than a year late. Not following that rule is this organization’s biggest mistake, and we’re paying the price for that – right now, and looking forward.

      As to trading Hamels – absolutely not. At best, what happens: you trade a star at the top of his game and in his best years … for another star at the top of his game and in his best years:? (Having said this, Hamels for Mike Trout, even up? Hmmm.)

      Or for prospects? Don’t care how good they seem; some pan out and others don’t and we are dealing with an imperfect science. We need to build up and around Hamels, not scrounge around to fill up the hole we’d create by letting go of him.

       
  • Posts: 0 Joefa

    No team will take on Papelbon’s contract without the Phillies eating a significant portion of it. I’d assume that Rube will be forced into paying 10-15 million just to unload him.

    Even if the front office is willing to pay the price necessary, what can they realistically expect to get back? Remember, Papelbon is not the only closer on the market.

     
    • Posts: 85 loupossehl

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      How many relievers out there, so far this year, have appeared in 37 (40 pct) of his team’s 91 games and sport a 2.1 WAR, a 0.35 WHIP, and – best of all – a 1.24 ERA? That last figure might be below 1.0 if you disallow his very first (blowout) appearance, when he probably had to shovel snow off the mound just to get there.

      As to other stud relievers – last time I checked, Mariano Rivera had hung it up (although he might be just old enough for the Phillies to take an interest in him. We could pair him up with Bobby Abreu, but I’m getting ahead of myself.) Yes, the Phillies would have to eat part of his contact to move him along, and that’s just what they should do. They’ve pissed away multiple millions on questionable contract extensions, so what’s a few extra million here and there?

       
  • Posts: 0 joe

    trade him today

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    for someone who won’t intermingle with fans on photo day, can’t wait till he is gone

     
 
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