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Which Teams are Watching Cliff Lee? Is Hamels Available?

Posted by Pat Egan, Mon, July 21, 2014 08:04 PM | Comments: 23
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During the Jayson Stark Show, hosted by our very own Pat Gallen, Stark named the 10 teams that are in attendance for Monday nights Phillies game presumably to scout Cliff Lee. Those teams are; Tigers, Pirates, Giants, Rangers, Diamondbacks, Angels, Blue Jays, Orioles, Brewers, and Royals. Lee is making his first start since an elbow strain put him on the disabled list in mid May.

Lee is owed $25 million next season and the lefty also has one of those pesky vesting options for 2016 for the price of $27.5 million. The Phillies would have to eat some of that salary if they hope to get anything back for the four time All Star. Lee is scheduled to make one more start before the July 31st non waiver trade deadline.

Stark also threw out a very interesting nugget about Cole Hamels. Reports out of Boston surfaced last week stating that the Phillies were not interested in trading Hamels, but Stark rebuffed that. “I’m hearing that Cole Hamels is available.” Stark, quoting an unnamed source, said the Phillies weren’t trying to move Hamels, but looking to see if they could get blown away by an offer. Hamels isn’t as off limits as previously thought. If you are wondering what it would cost a team to acquire the services of the 30 year old lefty Stark notes that the asking price would be similar to that of the Ray’s David Price. Which is a lot.

You can listen to the Jayson Stark show every Monday from 6-7 on 97.5 the Fanatic. You can also watch the show live as it broadcasts from the Green Parrot in Newtown Pennsylvania.

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  • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

    Cliff lee to the yanks, get it done

     
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    I would assume solely for salary relief.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jael

    No phillies going to keep them it going to be a set for next year roster
    I will add on if cliff lee cole hamels David Buchanan

     
  • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

    End results look like crap tonight, hopefully be better next start….

    Trade to the yanks for severino and judge…

     
    • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

      Regrettably not with this kind of performance. If they do get salary relief I see ownership simply pocketing the money, as callous and skeptical as that view might be.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      There was no mention of Yank scouts on hand to watch Lee, so I doubt if they’ll be very open to grabbing him up for two of their better prospects.

       
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    Whatever happened to our return from the Yankees for Abreu and Lidle?

     
  • Posts: 541 Bruce

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    Once again a PN writer is quoting an “unnamed source” from what the rumor mill is churning out regarding Cole Hamels. The Phillies ace is in his prime years (only 30 years old). I’m sure the front office takes a long term view of the team’s future with Hamels in mind as a stabilizing factor for the young pitchers the Phillies are grooming (David Buchanan is one). With Hamels long term contract, he is not going anywhere.

    Regarding Cliff Lee, the situation is likely different. I saw the CSN camera tonight panning the seats filled with scouts rubbing shoulders with each other. Obviously, they are taking notes and focusing on Lee and possibly Byrd. Anyone else? Who knows. The Phillies, are now showcasing potential trade baits as their season is hopelessly lost and the dog days of summer filled with gloomy baseball is upon them.

    In mentioning Buchanan, I do hope he will be back with the Phillies should Lee be gone after July 31st. Also, the Phillies should get a decent prospect or two and not just simply give Lee away for a “salary dump”. That would be a shame if that happens.

     
    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      Do you honestly seeing the Phillies contending within the next five years? I don’t, so it doesn’t matter one way or the other if Hamels is part of this team during that time period. If they have a chance to acquire some long term assets that will contribute long term they should certainly consider it. Hamels will be in his late 30′s by the time this franchise is relevant again.

      BTW, what has Amaro done in the past that makes you believe he “takes a long term view of the team’s future”? Consistently signing guys in their mid to late 30′s? Trading four prospects for one year of Hunter Pence? I’m not seeing Ruben’s long term vision at work.

       
      • Posts: 0 Robotnik

        Scotty, I agree. It is challenging to identify whether RAJ even has a plan. Wade picked RAJ’s pocket with the Pence trade. Then we receive nothing in return for Pence unless one counts the unfortunate Tommy Joseph. Except for Crawford, the farm system lacks talented players. RAJ has single handedly returned the Phillies to the Eastern Division cellar by both his actions (e.g., Pence and Lee trades) and unwillingness/inability to replace his aging core players. Get used to the cellar, the Phillies will be cellar dwellers for many, many years to come with RAJ as their GM.

         
    • Posts: 5 Pat Egan

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      Actually I was quoting Jayson Statk, who was quoting unnamed sources. I didn’t want to be rude & demand he tell me who his sources were. But thanks for reading!

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Trade Lee for some pitching prospects. It sucks to see him go but at this point it has to be done.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Some of those scouts were probably more interested in other players, like Byrd or Bastardo.

    My big worry is that Amaro, being behind the times, will ask for the moon for some of his players, and therefore won’t be able to swing any deals. The players traded so far have been relatively cheap compared to the available Phils, but Amaro will probably want major prospects for overpriced vets, like what sometimes did happen in years past.

    In my opinion, Lee will have to show a lot more than he did last night to even interest a team in dealing ONE prospect, even if the Phils pay a huge portion of that horrid contract.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob

    Guys, this is Phillies baseball, so get used to it. The Phillies winning ways from 2007-2011 was the exception, not the rule. The baseball you see today is what the Phillies have been for most of their existence.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    The contract is not horrid. Lee was a top ten pitcher when it was done. He received a fair amount for being in that elite company. I believe that we will get at least 2 good prospects (not great) for him. I’d hate to see Hamels go, but if it brought us back young ready to play major leaguers..I say go for it! Notice I said major leaguers not prospects. I don’t believe this franchise can wait 7-10 years to contend again. The fans won’t stand for it anymore.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      As far as I’m concerned, any contract for a pitcher entering his late thirties that contains a
      $27.5 M option with the even more outrageous $12.5 M buyout, is horrid. If Lee’s arm falls off, or even acts like it could, like it has this season, I certainly wouldn’t want to be the team paying him 12.5 M to go away.

       
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Are game day threads and recaps a thing of the past anymore? I can only stomach so much trade speculation. Whether we trade or not, I am fully confident that Ruin and “.300″ Montgomery will muck it up.

     
    • Posts: 5219 Lefty

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      It seems that way Ed. My friend Tracy thinks they are so involved in their TV stuff now, they just don’t see the importance of keeping them up. I guess you gotta go where the money is, can’t blame them for that. It’s just a shame, we once had a group of about 30-50 commenters on game day threads, I had to stop for a couple of years myself, but came back this year and it looks like they have all migrated to twitter, FB, other sites -or just stopped watching and chatting at all.

      As far as trades, I am more confident now that Ed Wade is back that maybe they can make some solid decisions for the future.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Ed,

      I sort of see what you mean, flipping through the messages. Liquidity Season appears to have more addictive grip than your most powerful rehab 12 step action. The only thing worse than watching the Painphils play this summer is the decimation of Phillies blogs this summer (plus), but at least it’s a therapeutic way for the peeps to vent. This is all relative, of course. One don’t necessarily have to have thought the game threads went from good to bad….slippage is slippage.

      But the truth of the matter is having never run a blog, I only observe from an observers standpoint, and it seems like the ad revenue is fou8ndated on page hits. Hell, even if the Phils are having a good summer, what transpires more curiousity than trade rumors. So why not pound the hell out of them just because a lot of people think that their pro or con evaluation of a trade has to be expressed more times, even I not always than Maddux had outs.

      If you dare take some of your Phillies time away from this site, bounce over to Twitter, and do a search for our old hero Roy Halladay. Beats the hell out of most any and all things you read on Da Phillies these days, and while winning’s nice, really speaks to what’s important in The Game. You’ll understand why some guys don’t get traded, even if they are left to being bandied about in the rumor mill.

      .

       
  • Posts: 0 Wes Chamberlain

    I like the way the FO is so adamant on keeping Cole Hamels with the the idea that he could the part of the next great Phillies team. With no true impact players in the minors (with the exception of Crawford and possibly Franco), there is no way the Phillies will compete in the foreseeable future.

    The fact of the matter is that the ONLY way to shorten the timeframe to be competive again is to trade Cole Hamels. To truly make a difference, the trade would have to net you 3 prospects in the top-100 (with 1 of them being in the top-10). This, along with other well played trades, would undoubtedly replenish the system.

    When the team feels like they’re ready to compete again, sign a FA ace as money doesn’t seem to be an issue.

     
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    Where is the successor to Hamels? Will the players acquired for Hamels (assuming they are position players) languish with no pitching talent? How do you ascertain the type of return you’re seeking when these veterans are traded. Or do you just not care so long as you grab a warm body and a heap of salary relief?

     
    • Posts: 5219 Lefty

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      My personal feeling is that you take the relief and mid level prospects if you can get it, and then thank your lucky stars that someone bailed you out of whatever contracts you can dump.

      Keep in mind that no one- and I mean no one, has ever considered hiring me to be an MLB GM. :-)

      I really hate the long term contracts for ballplayers, all of them, on all teams. These are humans they are paying to do a very physical job. Long term deals are crazy- especially for pitchers IMO. The players take no risk whatsoever, they get paid no matter what happens.

      Why? Why are the owners the only one that take the risk on a long term deal? Honestly, I just don’t get it and probably never will. You lock up players like Pujols that aren’t even close to their former selves now, and will be worthless in three years tops, maybe sooner. Then pay them for five years for nothing?? Anyway, didn’t intend to ramble like that- Yes- dump the contracts IMO

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    I gamble on top prospect rather than two mid level ones if i had the choice. We wont be able to move Howard. I think we are stuck with Ruiz as well. Adams was a total bust. No one seems to want Papelbon. I still think a suitor for Papelbon may emerge. I dont hate Revere like most do i would keep him. He is cheap and still young an they still need a OF. They need another catching prospect in the higher minors. Joseph doesnt look to promising and Rupp is at best a back up. Im assuming they are holding to Valle just for depth. This team needs everything its going to have to be a total rebuild from top top to bottom. They been getting rid of some dead weight in the minors recently which is good as well. So much has to be done.

     
 
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