Cubs Awarded Claim on Hamels, Deal Unlikely

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Fri, August 08, 2014 10:14 AM | Comments: 25
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As first Tweeted by 97.5 FM’s Mike Missanelli, the Cubs have won the revocable waiver claim on Phillies’ ace Cole Hamels but a deal is unlikely says Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun Times.

The Phillies reportedly asked for super shortstop prospect Addison Russell as a start to the deal. Russell, in itself, isn’t a bad place to start, but the mechanics of a trade get incredibly complicated after that. As Wittenmyer notes, a few of the players that the Phillies would be interested in in a theoretical deal, like Starlin Castro and Javier Baez, are already on the Cubs 40-man roster and would have to clear waivers in their own right. Finally, it may make more sense for both sides to conduct their business once the season ends: with a number of high-profile free agent arms available, the Cubs may be best served to attempt to sign one from free agency while the Phillies, if interested in trading Hamels, would be foolish to limit themselves to just one trade partner unless they are blown away.

Hamels, at 30 years old, is in the middle of the best season of his career, posting a near-career high K/9 IP rate and career-lows HR/9 IP rate, ERA, and FIP. Per fWAR, Hamels ranks sixth in the NL while ranking fourth in ERA and sixth in FIP.

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  • Posts: 0 H. Douglas Walker

    If the Phillies can work out any good deal right ow I would take it. There is no promise that any better deal may be coming in the off season. If there are enough good free agent pitchers on the market this winter the value for Hamels may go down.

    • Posts: 0 George

      I really don’t think Hamels’ value will decrease this winter. An elite free agent pitcher like Scherzer, Lester, or Shields will command more years and more money, and he’ll likely cost the signing team a draft pick.

      In this case, Amaro should hold out for everything he can get, because there’s no real issue with just keeping Hamels around.

  • Posts: 0 josh

    Other than Scherzer how many aces will be out on the market

    • Posts: 0 Drew

      Lester, Shields

  • Posts: 0 ballykea

    If Hamels goes, I will disown the Phils

  • Posts: 0 Chris

    What’s the point of a trade deadline if you can still make trades afterwards? That’s never made any sense to me.

    • Posts: 0 George

      Good question. My thoughts are that it’s just a way to make everything more complicated and jumbled up and therefore more newsworthy. I lot of extra reporting happens on the 31st of July because there’s that semi-artificial deadline. If trades are scattered they don’t make such a splash as that last-minute stuff when about a half dozen or more trades go down.

    • Posts: 0 Corey

      Its the July 31st NON WAIVER trade deadline. You can still trade after the 31st of July, but the player must be placed on WAIVERS first. If he is claimed, you have 48 hours to make a trade with that team, let him go to that team for nothing in return except salary relief, or pull him back. If he clears, then you can trade him to any team. Hopefully that clarifies the situation for you.

      • Posts: 0 George

        Even if it does clarify things, it doesn’t make it any less stupid, and it still doesn’t make July 31st a REAL deadline. A trade is a trade, whether one team is involved or 500 teams are involved. It’s a little harder to make a trade after July 31st, is all. If I had a deadline to meet at my job and didn’t meet it, I’d get canned. If a sheriff orders a cowboy out of town by morning, if that cowboy sticks around, he’ll be shot. It’s not just harder with a REAL deadline; with REAL deadlines, you can lose your job or your life.

        Non-waiver, waiver, it’s all really just a bunch of assinine procedural BS.

  • Posts: 0 Jasomm

    The three best guys that Hamels is actually worth trading for, and the cubs may actually let go for him:

    Kris Bryant (#2 prospect)
    Jorge Soler (#5 prospect)
    Jen-Ho Tseng (single-A lefty pitcher with potential)

    • Posts: 0 Scotty Ingerton

      They won’t let Bryant go.

      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        I agree with Scotty, they most likely wouldn’t let Bryant go… But I would love to see him in a phillies uniform for sure… Besides don’t the cubs owe us one, we gave them Sandberg way back when, lol

  • Posts: 34 BeyondInfinity

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    Id do it for nothing less than some sort of package with Russel, soler/almora and at least one other cubs top 20 prospect. If they’d throw in soler with russel I wouldn’t necessarily need another prospect for the deal cause those two are beastss

  • Posts: 5354 Lefty

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    So it looks like now it’s time for the other GM’s to get back at Amaro for his remarks about them not being aggressive enough before the deadline. Dodgers GM Ned Coletti was quoted as saying about the Hernandez trade “Ruben [Amaro Jr.] could held me up for even more”

    I don’t like when trading partners do stuff like that. Whether it’s true or not, show some class.

    • Posts: 0 Andrew from Harrisburg

      I think Coletti said that because Ruben could have used the Beckett injury as leverage to get even more out of the deal, not as a reference to Ruben’s previous comments. I could be wrong, but it sounds like the deal was made before news of the Beckett injury broke?

      • Posts: 5354 Lefty

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        I hope that is the case. Thanks

  • Posts: 34 BeyondInfinity

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    Yes that was the case, coletti rushed the trade so it would be completed before the Beckett news got out. And that is why he said that, because if the trade wasn’t made at that time and the news got out amaro could have asked for more, that was the case

  • Posts: 5354 Lefty

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    Now that the Phils have officially pulled Hamels back, I’m curious as to why the Cubs put in a claim for him at all. It seems they knew, heck all teams knew, that the price would be astronomical. The only good reason I can think of is that it would potentially be a shorter term than if they went after one of the primo FA’s coming this offseason. They certainly weren’t in it to block another team, they’re not in contention for anything. Thoughts?

    • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

      I wondered the same thing. I was trying to imagine what the Golden Boy Theo was up to.

    • Posts: 0 George

      How about publicity? Or how about Theo being able to say to long-suffering Cubs fans, “Hey, I tried for the best, but Amaro was just too hard-nosed.” Or maybe he was just trying to get an idea of what ace pitchers are worth this season so he can guage what he’ll need to pay for a free agent.

      • Posts: 5354 Lefty

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        That makes some sense, and I guess it was a no risk move. The Phils were always going to pull him back if they felt they weren’t being properly compensated.

      • Posts: 0 mike

        The Cubs don’t need to patronize their fans. They’re on the cusp of fielding contender. An infield next year of Bryant, Castro, Baez and Rizzo may be the best young infield in MLB. They acquired Russell specifically as a trade chip for other needs. They’re 2 front line starters away from contention. They have the payroll flexibility to pull it off. It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded for Hamels and made a run at Scherzer.

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Castro would be a nice player and he is signed through 2019. Then they would have to flip J-Roll.

    • Posts: 0 George

      It’s a moot point now, but for future reference, Castro is on the Cubs 40 man roster. Any player on a team’s 40 man has to clear waivers to be traded. That’s difficult to do with many useful players this time of the year.

  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    Smart move by the Cubs. It cost them nothing to find out whether Ruben was dumb enough to undervalue Hamels. Of course, it didn’t really answer the question about Ruben – just that he wasn’t dumb enough to take what the Cubs might have offered.

    I’m just happy Ruben remembered to take him off of waivers in a timely fashion.
    You never know with this management.

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