Comments for Phillies Nation http://philliesnation.com Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:20:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 Comment on Prospect Nation 2012: #14 OF Larry Greene Jr. by TheDipsyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/prospect-nation-2012-14-of-larry-greene-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-276259 TheDipsy Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:20:43 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28060#comment-276259 Projected as a 1B? No kidding! Can he catch?The Dipsy Projected as a 1B? No kidding! Can he catch?

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Chuck A.http://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276258 Chuck A. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:39:18 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276258 If Blanton is "Pig Pen" then who would play the role of Charlie Brown? Linus? Snoopy? If Blanton is “Pig Pen” then who would play the role of Charlie Brown? Linus? Snoopy?

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Leftyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276257 Lefty Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:54:23 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276257 Ok thanks, I knew I'd seen that 11m benefits figure before somewhere :) Ok thanks, I knew I’d seen that 11m benefits figure before somewhere :)

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276255 psujoe Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:18:25 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276255 In the Matt Gelb article he sites a source saying between 10-11 million for the benefits. I just used the hige figure.If Contreras retires I don't believe his salary counts. However,f he gets paid anyway why retire? In the Matt Gelb article he sites a source saying between 10-11 million for the benefits. I just used the hige figure.

If Contreras retires I don’t believe his salary counts. However,f he gets paid anyway why retire?

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Georgehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276254 George Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:20:18 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276254 I like that "Pig pen" name.Blanton won't be tradeable until he proves his health. Then, perhaps, a package deal would work and Amaro might not have to eat so much salary. I doubt, however, that Oswalt will even be available mid-season. He'll likely sign with the Cards at a cut rate before he'll sit out half the season.As a consultant, Utley would not be on the roster, and anything he was paid at that time could not be averaged for the luxury tax. Only that front loaded part would count, and that isn't much less than his current AAV. I like that “Pig pen” name.

Blanton won’t be tradeable until he proves his health. Then, perhaps, a package deal would work and Amaro might not have to eat so much salary. I doubt, however, that Oswalt will even be available mid-season. He’ll likely sign with the Cards at a cut rate before he’ll sit out half the season.

As a consultant, Utley would not be on the roster, and anything he was paid at that time could not be averaged for the luxury tax. Only that front loaded part would count, and that isn’t much less than his current AAV.

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Leftyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276246 Lefty Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:58:18 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276246 Joe, Now you have to add in the other 15 players on the 40 man. They appear to be well over the threshold. It's likely they'll make moves during the season to get under.Also, How did you arrive at the 11m figure, by percentage? I'm not challenging it, I have no idea what it should be. Just curious. Joe,
Now you have to add in the other 15 players on the 40 man. They appear to be well over the threshold. It’s likely they’ll make moves during the season to get under.

Also, How did you arrive at the 11m figure, by percentage? I’m not challenging it, I have no idea what it should be. Just curious.

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Comment on Prospect Nation 2012: #14 OF Larry Greene Jr. by Robert Pettihttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/prospect-nation-2012-14-of-larry-greene-jr/comment-page-1/#comment-276245 Robert Petti Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:53:00 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28060#comment-276245 well the phillies is my faviorte team since 1964 i know that should not sound good cause we had a great lead but i don't know what happen but look at them know world series champ and in playoffs i am proud of the team please write back rob petti well the phillies is my faviorte team since 1964 i know that should not sound good cause we had a great lead but i don’t know what happen but look at them know world series champ and in playoffs i am proud of the team
please write back
rob petti

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Georgehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276244 George Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:43:53 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276244 The Phils, according to some sources, are definitely trying to trade Blanto.It would be useless to hope that Contreras doesn't come back. If he's injured all year, he gets paid anyway. The Phils, according to some sources, are definitely trying to trade Blanto.

It would be useless to hope that Contreras doesn’t come back. If he’s injured all year, he gets paid anyway.

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Jay from Leonardtownhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276243 Jay from Leonardtown Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:32:14 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276243 Two disparate comments to follow...1. If the goal is to get rid of Blanton, would it be better to package him with one of the 'Pig Pen arms now and get someone to eat most of his salary in return, or wait and see if he gets off to a good start, trade him alone and eat half of the salary. But, if he does get off to a good start, would it be better to keep him around all year, or try to dump him midseason, and use part of the salary savings to see if Oswalt would pull a 2009 Pedro and come back for a partial season on a low salary?2. Going by AAV, if the Phillies signed Utley to a (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) 10 year, front-loaded extension for a base of $60 million, that would push his AAV down considerably, right? Perhaps most of the money could be paid in the first 4 years, with a $1 million annual base salary after that, with huge plate appearance bonuses, just in case he's actually still playing after 4 more years. And if he isn't, he becomes a $1 mill/year "consultant." Two disparate comments to follow…

1. If the goal is to get rid of Blanton, would it be better to package him with one of the ‘Pig Pen arms now and get someone to eat most of his salary in return, or wait and see if he gets off to a good start, trade him alone and eat half of the salary. But, if he does get off to a good start, would it be better to keep him around all year, or try to dump him midseason, and use part of the salary savings to see if Oswalt would pull a 2009 Pedro and come back for a partial season on a low salary?

2. Going by AAV, if the Phillies signed Utley to a (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) 10 year, front-loaded extension for a base of $60 million, that would push his AAV down considerably, right? Perhaps most of the money could be paid in the first 4 years, with a $1 million annual base salary after that, with huge plate appearance bonuses, just in case he’s actually still playing after 4 more years. And if he isn’t, he becomes a $1 mill/year “consultant.”

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by psujoehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276237 psujoe Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:10:08 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276237 I have a running spreadsheet similar to Matt's, I plugged in $11 million for benefits. Phils are probably banking on trading Blanton or Contreras not coming back.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlNFQRpCbkZAdFU2MUlmZlJ5T1BRS2JsZTZWUVA3Q2c I have a running spreadsheet similar to Matt’s, I plugged in $11 million for benefits. Phils are probably banking on trading Blanton or Contreras not coming back.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlNFQRpCbkZAdFU2MUlmZlJ5T1BRS2JsZTZWUVA3Q2c

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Comment on 2012 Phillies Nation Road Trips by Grismundohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/2012-phillies-nation-road-trips/comment-page-1/#comment-276220 Grismundo Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:39:44 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28036#comment-276220 Was already planning the Baltimore trip. You guys just made it a whole lot simpler. I'll probably go to the Gnats one too. Was already planning the Baltimore trip. You guys just made it a whole lot simpler. I’ll probably go to the Gnats one too.

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Comment on ESPN: Phillies Tried to Move Blanton to Keep Oswalt by Grismundohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/2espn-phillies-tried-to-move-blanton-to-keep-oswalt/comment-page-1/#comment-276216 Grismundo Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:36:55 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28053#comment-276216 Who is the best fit for Joe Blanton? My first guess was Casual Male XL Who is the best fit for Joe Blanton? My first guess was Casual Male XL

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Grismundohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276215 Grismundo Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:34:29 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276215 They took off the Arcade and Pavilion (206-211) seats off of the theme night promotion games. I'm pissed. You can buy them all now if you type in the codes.. One of them is the Friday night game against the Rays. They took off the Arcade and Pavilion (206-211) seats off of the theme night promotion games. I’m pissed. You can buy them all now if you type in the codes.. One of them is the Friday night game against the Rays.

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Comment on How This Offseason Helped the Phillies More Than You Think by Grismundohttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/how-this-offseason-helped-the-phillies-more-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-276214 Grismundo Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:22:35 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=27775#comment-276214 And here I was hoping he would get "fat" again and be good like he used to be. And here I was hoping he would get “fat” again and be good like he used to be.

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Leftyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276146 Lefty Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:37:53 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276146 Yes. Maybe not quite as much this year because the weather hasn't been too bad, but in general, I'm in favor of no offseason at all.You get two weeks vacation for the December holidays boys, enjoy it and stay in shape! Yes. Maybe not quite as much this year because the weather hasn’t been too bad, but in general, I’m in favor of no offseason at all.

You get two weeks vacation for the December holidays boys, enjoy it and stay in shape!

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Chuck A.http://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276145 Chuck A. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:22:02 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276145 Is anyone else getting tired of the offseason and ready for Spring Training to start already? Is anyone else getting tired of the offseason and ready for Spring Training to start already?

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Leftyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276139 Lefty Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:58:48 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276139 @Patti Piersol, I disagree that Ruiz is getting ripped off.Yadier Molina, one of the best catchers in the game, signed for 4yrs./ 15.5 in 2008. I don't think Chooch is being vastly underpaid. He's my favorite Phillie, but 3/8.85 isn't too bad in comparison with Molina. It's about 900,000 AAV less. @Patti Piersol, I disagree that Ruiz is getting ripped off.

Yadier Molina, one of the best catchers in the game, signed for 4yrs./ 15.5 in 2008. I don’t think Chooch is being vastly underpaid. He’s my favorite Phillie, but 3/8.85 isn’t too bad in comparison with Molina. It’s about 900,000 AAV less.

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Leftyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276138 Lefty Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:49:05 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276138 This is from the updated link that Pat provided."Payrolls are for 40-man rosters and include averages of multiyear contracts; health and pension benefits; clubs medical costs; insurance; workman’s compensation, payroll, unemployment and Social Security taxes; spring training allowances; meal and tip money; All-Star game expenses; travel and moving expenses; postseason pay; and college scholarships."Under these circumstances the Phillies are likely already well over the threshold. That's 15 more players being paid minor league contracts right? I suppose there is no rule requiring that you carry all 40 players on the 40 man, you could cut costs by carrying 38. But In that case you'd be exposing a couple of players. This is from the updated link that Pat provided.

“Payrolls are for 40-man rosters and include averages of multiyear contracts; health and pension benefits; clubs medical costs; insurance; workman’s compensation, payroll, unemployment and Social Security taxes; spring training allowances; meal and tip money; All-Star game expenses; travel and moving expenses; postseason pay; and college scholarships.”

Under these circumstances the Phillies are likely already well over the threshold. That’s 15 more players being paid minor league contracts right? I suppose there is no rule requiring that you carry all 40 players on the 40 man, you could cut costs by carrying 38. But In that case you’d be exposing a couple of players.

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Comment on How This Offseason Helped the Phillies More Than You Think by Georgehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/how-this-offseason-helped-the-phillies-more-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-276137 George Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:47:14 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=27775#comment-276137 I just noticed the photo caption, and have to point out that Fielder did not go west. Detroit is east of Milwaukee. If he went first to Albuquerque, maybe you'd be correct, but even then, only sort of. I just noticed the photo caption, and have to point out that Fielder did not go west. Detroit is east of Milwaukee. If he went first to Albuquerque, maybe you’d be correct, but even then, only sort of.

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Comment on Updated Roster and Payroll Projections by Georgehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/02/updated-roster-and-payroll-projections/comment-page-1/#comment-276132 George Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:39:54 +0000 http://philliesnation.com/?p=28064#comment-276132 DroppedThirdStrike:These are projections and not the final figures. There's no way to really predict which bonuses will be attained yet, and although some of them seem attainable, DFAs and trades also happen, some of which can change the budget picture even more drastically than a Cy Young bonus. Injuries also happen, often preventing some of these bonuses.Patti Piersol:I agree. Carlos Ruiz is probably the most underpaid catcher in the league.Pat Gallen:I see you've updated the Kendrick pay. I didn't think you'd let that one go by. DroppedThirdStrike:

These are projections and not the final figures. There’s no way to really predict which bonuses will be attained yet, and although some of them seem attainable, DFAs and trades also happen, some of which can change the budget picture even more drastically than a Cy Young bonus. Injuries also happen, often preventing some of these bonuses.

Patti Piersol:

I agree. Carlos Ruiz is probably the most underpaid catcher in the league.

Pat Gallen:

I see you’ve updated the Kendrick pay. I didn’t think you’d let that one go by.

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